DPRK condemns Trump from withdrawing from the Paris Climate Agreement!

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DPRK condemns Trump from withdrawing from the Paris Climate Agreement!

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Recently, the President of the United States, bloated bombastic pumpkin-headed imperialist Donald Trump released a statement saying that he would withdraw from the Paris Climate Agreement. This comes as no surprise to us, as we know that Mr. Trump has had a dreadful record on the environment and believes that climate change is a hoax invented by China to take American jobs.

A spokesman for the DPRK called Trump's obscene declaration the "height of egoism and moral vacuum seeking only their well-being even at the cost of the entire planet." The DPRK have consistently had a good record of defending the environment, and are currently putting research into funding renewable energy such as wind farms, despite their poor economic position, which is entirely due to western imperialist sanctions.

There is however, one area where I disagree with what this spokesman says. He says that the U.S. is "ignorant of the fact that the protection of the global environment is in their own interests." This is incorrect. The imperialists know exactly what they are doing. They want to destroy our planet for their own gains, and once they have wrecked earth, they will fly off to space and leave the proletariat workers to clean up after their mess. This is why we must put in place a socialist economy, as it is the only method to defend our environment from the bourgeoisie parasites.

As I have said before, I may be a vegan, but I will make an acception for the bacon that is cooked of off the backs of capitalist pigs.

On June 8th, we must elect Jeremy Corbyn so that he can work with other nations, including the DPRK, to eradicate climate change.
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I think they're in denial about global warming, due to the pseudo-Christian dogma of "there will never be another global flood, god said so".
It doesn't even line up with the Bible, though:
1. God promised that HE would never flood the Earth again, not that humans could not do that.
2. It wouldn't be a global flood, only most of our major cities along the coast; it will displace and possibly lead to the deaths of billions, but it's not a global flood.

People take whatever liberties they want with scripture to fit their beliefs; that's a huge problem with religion that this helps reveal.
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North Korea probably has a very low carbon footprint due to extreme poverty, well that's one way to do it.

Are you serious in your statement that North Korea's economic position is "entirely due to western imperialist sanctions" and that Corbyn should work with North Korea on climate change?

I can't decide if this article is straight up serious, or tongue in cheek.
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Jamie in Chile wrote: Wed Jun 07, 2017 7:44 pm Are you serious in your statement that North Korea's economic position is "entirely due to western imperialist sanctions" and that Corbyn should work with North Korea on climate change?
Zzz is a pretty big supporter of North Korea, I don't quite agree.

It's fair to say a large part is due to sanctions, but the war and communism itself took its toll too.
A look at what's happening in Venezuela right now is a good lesson in the problems in trying to establish communism in the modern world. Maybe some day with more resources and a different social mindset something like that could work.

There's hope, though, as it seems North Korea is loosening its restrictions on business and as China is booming they have a strong trade partner to help them with agriculture. I'm a big proponent of lifting sanctions; when you isolate people, you create extremism, whereas friendly relationships moderate ideology. Just by being friends with North Korea we could change their practices for the better and bring the country into the modern world. It's kind of a global lesson against trying to convince people to change with shame: it often just makes people more entrenched in their old positions.
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North Korea is an evil government terrorising its own people and propping up its wicked rulers by abusing its people. It's not a functioning country at all because of serious human rights abuses and over spend on the army and incompetent evil leaders. In my opinion that's what's wrong with the country's economy, not sanctions and not war.

South Korea did OK after the war.
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Jamie in Chile wrote: Fri Jun 09, 2017 12:03 am North Korea is an evil government terrorising its own people and propping up its wicked rulers by abusing its people. It's not a functioning country at all because of serious human rights abuses and over spend on the army and incompetent evil leaders. In my opinion that's what's wrong with the country's economy, not sanctions and not war.

South Korea did OK after the war.
South Korea was supported by U.S. trade.

Some abuses are fabricated, some are real (like multi-generational prison and food scarcity). I'm not defending the actions taken by the North, but there's important context there. Monsters are not born, they are made. North Korea got the shit end of the stick in the split for a couple important reasons, and understanding how things went bad is an important part of fixing them. I understand why they did what they did, anybody can do terrible things if you put him or her in a difficult enough situation.

In most Asian cultures, there's a concept called "face", and if you want to move them they have to be able to make changes and save face in the process.
Sometimes saving the people means swallowing our own Western pride and taking some extra blame (even if we don't think we were at fault) to save the face of the government over those people and allow change to happen. It would be a mistake to think it's just the government; there's national pride there, even from some peasants who have the worst of it. Mistakes are difficult to navigate in Asian culture. The best thing we can do is extend a hand of friendship and admit our own government's mistakes loudly and apologize for them to put North Korea at ease and help them recognize the problems that developed from the overall conflict (they suffered as a proxy for U.S. vs Soviet conflict).
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