I know, and it's offensive because they're not actually comparable; the analogy you're trying to draw isn't there.EquALLity wrote:I'm not equating them; I'm comparing them.brimstoneSalad wrote: [EquALLity compared the use of the term 'retarded' and 'gay' as a derogatory insult]
Comparing the two is pretty offensive to gay people. Being retarded is not a good thing; there's nothing good about having a profoundly low IQ and developmental problems. Calling somebody retarded is like calling him or her stupid: it's using a word that represents a negative character trait as an insult.
Being gay is nothing like retarded; when "gay" is used as an insult, it irrationally degrades homosexuals based on widespread homophobia.
It's a sensible and rational thing to find retardation undesirable. The same can not be said for homosexuality.
Turning something that isn't bad into an insult is completely different from turning something that's actually bad into an insult for a trait it's analogous to. A quality that is already devalued can not be devalued more by being used as an insult: it's devaluing the person who isn't retarded to call that person retarded.
When you use "gay" as an insult, you're devaluing gay people, because homosexuality isn't a trait that has lesser value.
Stupid and retarded are basically the same thing, but to varying degrees. Retardation is that which is below a particular intelligence threshold. Stupid people are unintelligent. Stupid is distinct from ignorant, which is just lacking in some knowledge.EquALLity wrote:Being mentally challenged is undesirable, but it's out of peoples' control, and it's a very difficult condition. It's adding insult to injury when you use the word 'retarded' to call people who aren't mentally challenged stupid.
The synonyms aren't 100% accurate, note ignorance is listed.stu·pid
ˈst(y)o͞opəd/
adjective
1.
lacking intelligence or common sense.
"I was stupid enough to think she was perfect"
synonyms: unintelligent, ignorant, dense, foolish, dull-witted, slow, simpleminded, vacuous, vapid, idiotic, imbecilic, imbecile, obtuse, doltish; More
It's distinct from "stupid" or unintelligent.ig·no·rant
ˈiɡnərənt/
adjective
lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.
"he was told constantly that he was ignorant and stupid"
synonyms: uneducated, unknowledgeable, untaught, unschooled, untutored, untrained, illiterate, unlettered, unlearned, unread, uninformed, unenlightened, benighted; More
lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular.
"they were ignorant of astronomy"
synonyms: without knowledge of, unaware of, unconscious of, oblivious to, incognizant of, unfamiliar with, unacquainted with, uninformed about, ill-informed about, unenlightened about, unconversant with, inexperienced in/with, naive about, green about; More
People who are severely stupid are by nature mentally retarded (and may or may not be ignorant). People who are mentally retarded are stupid; you can't really be intelligent if you have a low intelligence.
It may be genetic, early childhood, or environmental; these can all affect cognition.
Equating or comparing retardation with stupidity is accurate. It's an attribute that is undesirable and of negative value. You aren't devaluing stupidity or retardation by equating them; they're both the same sort of thing, and intimately related. Retarded people by their very nature have an undesirable quality, it's appropriate that it be undesirable.
Equating homosexuality with a negative value is not accurate, and it devalues homosexuality, which should not be devalued. Homosexuals do NOT by their very nature have an undesirable quality, it's not appropriate that it be undesirable.
Now, it is also possible to say "you're being stupid right now" or "you're being retarded right now", which is a criticism of a particular behavior, and not your fundamental character or intelligence overall: that is, you are behaving in a way right now that makes it seem like you are stupid/retarded.
That's the same kind of thing with respect to how insulting it is to retarded people (it isn't insulting to them at all), it's just less insulting to the person you use it against.
You can also say "you're being gay right now", and if it was the case that the person you said it to was currently engaging in sexual activities with somebody of the same sex, it wouldn't be insulting to gay people because it's legitimate.
It may even be appropriate if the person you said it to was watching Glee or doing something stereotypical of gay culture. But NOT if the person did something stupid.
Gay = Homosexual (or behavior stereotypically associated with gay culture)
Gay ≠ Stupid, Gay ≠ Bad.
You could use "retarded" in a way that was an insult to retarded people by using it to refer to something very incorrect and far worse than mental retardation.
For example, if you found somebody raping somebody else, or murdering somebody, and you said simply "that's retarded!" as if that covered it, that would reflect a significantly lower value upon retardation than is warranted. That would be inappropriate, and it would devalue retarded people.
Retarded = Low IQ = Stupid.
Retarded ≠ Murderous psychopath.
In order to devalue something, you have to equate it with something that has lower value.
Even if it's inaccurate, that's true.
For example, calling somebody a cockroach as an insult: that doesn't devalue cockroaches, because the person is being called that in order to devalue the person down to the low value roaches already have.
Calling somebody a pig for eating voraciously doesn't devalue pigs: they are characteristically voracious eaters.
Pig = Gluttonous
Get it?
If a mother murdered her children, and you called her a bitch, that would devalue bitches: bitches are very protective of their pups.
Bitch = Mean (behavior of hormonal female dogs is probably where that came from)
Bitch ≠ Child killer.
That is, assuming we hadn't already mentally dissociated the words.
Calling somebody who is behaving in an apparently unintelligent manner (such that that person seems retarded) retarded does not in any way devalue retarded people; it's lowering the target of the insult to the already devalued position the retarded occupy by comparison by saying that person is (and he or she may be).
There are no issues with accuracy there: at worst it might just hurt people's feelings if you use those words around people who are clinically retarded (it shouldn't, but it might, so it's not really nice). Maybe just don't do that and be aware of the context of your communications (just like you might avoid cussing around children and elderly conservative Christian women).
Female dogs, Pigs, and Cockroaches have no idea what's going on because they don't understand most human language. It's mainly their caretakers who are insulted, and they probably need to chill out. Incidentally, this is also probably the case with retarded people: it's mainly friends and family of those people who are insulted. They need to chill out.
Don't be this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3pmMZDko60
There are much bigger issues.