EquALLity wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:09 pm
I agree that you don't know, but you can say that about anything. Just because you don't know something doesn't mean you cannot make an educated guess. Just because we don't know the outcome of something doesn't mean we should treat every outcome as equally likely.
I'm not saying that they are equally likely. And how educated of a guess can you make? There are countless factors that play into it. From single person taking a misstep to the President signing a seemingly inconsequential bill, you'd have to know every single factor, because even if you leave just one out, your educated guess may just be rendered worthless.
EquALLity wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:09 pmAs I mentioned, the reason why I think it would likely be better if the Holocaust didn't happen is because very few things can be as bad as the Holocaust.
Well, I'm actually reading Pinker's
The Better Angels of Our Nature and I'm starting to get to the part where he talks about how murders by people have caused more deaths than the government genocides.
And again, preventing the Holocaust sounds like a great idea, but history has been fairly steady ever since the war. You can either advance humanity 10 fold, or allow for its extinction.
EquALLity wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:09 pmCorrect me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're saying that we shouldn't try to stop the Holocaust if we can, because we don't know if keeping it would be worse than stopping it. That's like saying that I shouldn't try to look for my dog if she gets lost, because we don't know if finding her would make me happier. We don't know, but we can make an educated guess.
This is telling me that you think without a doubt the lack of a Holocaust would be positive. Don't get me wrong; the Holocaust was terrible. But in your example, of course, finding your dog would make you happier. (Assuming) You love your dog, it's almost guaranteed that you'd be happier. The same can't be said about the Holocaust, which is on a much larger scale and has almost impossibly predictable outcomes.
EquALLity wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:09 pmSuch as?
And it matters because?
You said that it's hard to rival the terriblenessessess of what Hitler done do, so here's a list of 5 people cause I don't feel like making a longer one.
-Stalin
-Mao
-Pol Pot
ok I cant think of anymore
EquALLity wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:09 pm
The Holocaust happening didn't stop multiple other genocides from happening after, such as the genocide happening currently in Myanmar of the Rohingya.
I was just using 9/11 as an example. When was the last time we saw a purposeful genocide that bad?
Also, we're making sure to keep fuckers from becoming dictators more ever since then AFAIK.
EquALLity wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:09 pm
Because as I mentioned, most things aren't as bad as the Holocaust.
AGAIN, how can you know if there aren't any negative repercussions?