Fake Quotes!
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:19 pm
I made a post a while back in which I talked about the topic of whether Hitler was or was not a socialist. I pointed out that this quote was frequently ascribed to him on the internet:
"We are Socialists, enemies, mortal enemies of the present capitalist economic system with its exploitation of the economically weak, with its injustice in wages, with its immoral evaluation of individuals according to wealth and money instead of responsibility and achievement, and we are determined under all circumstances to abolish this system!"
However, this quote was not a quote of Hitler. Rather, it was a quote of Gregor Strasser, Hitler's rival within the Nazi Party.
This is relevant because this post will be about fake quotes. By that I mean quotes misattributed to the person who did not say them, or else fabricated entirely.
Let's take this one:
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - Epicurus
This quote has been used many times by Atheists in debates with theists. The paradox of why an all-loving, all-powerful has been called the Epicurean paradox. However, the problem is, Epicurus probably never actually said it.
This quote was attributed to Epicurus by Lactantius, an early Christian writer. However, no writings still remaining of Epicurus contain this argument, and he probably never actually said it.
This is first of all shown by the fact that it refers to one singular God. Epicurus lived in ancient Greece, where polytheism was dominant, and monotheism wasn't really heard of.
Secondly, Epicurus wasn't an atheist. He did believe in Gods, however, these Gods were neither willing nor able to prevent evil as they had already reached a perfect state of ataraxia (peace and freedom from pain) to which all humans should aspire to achieve.
Now, let's take a quote attributed to another brilliant philosopher:
"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire
This saying is a brilliant one, that is the archetype of a civilised society founded on the ideals of freedom of speech, such as Great Britain. However, Voltaire didn't say it! It was actually said by Evelyn Beatrice Hall, an English writer, who wrote it as a summary of Voltaire's beliefs.
Let's take another quote that many people attribute to our French friend:
"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." - Voltaire
This quote is most frequently used by basement-dwelling Neo-Nazis who use it to imply that the Jews rule over the world as it is considered rude to criticize them. What the skinhead scum who use this quote fail to realize is that most people would object to anyone criticizing an entire group of people, and the same logic could be used to imply that any religion or ethnic group runs the world. Furthermore, it could be used to prove cancer patients, starving children in third world countries, somebody's dead relatives, etc. run the world.
It is a very stupid quote when one thinks about it, and that is probably why Voltaire wasn't stupid enough to say it. It was actually a Neo-Nazi, Kevin Alfred Strom who said it in the first place.
There is a story about Winston Churchill, that an MP accused him of being "disgustingly drunk", and he replied hilariously "My dear, you are ugly, and what’s more, you are disgustingly ugly. But tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be disgustingly ugly." There is debate over whether he actually said this, yet it still appears at the top of many polls for history's best insults.
What Winnie certainly didn't say, however, is "If You're Not A Liberal When You're 25, You Have No Heart. If You're Not A Conservative By The Time You're 35, You Have No Brain". It sounds like something the Conservative former-Liberal might have said. But nevertheless, there is no record of him having said it. Furthermore, as Paul Addison of Edinburgh University pointed out "Surely Churchill can’t have used the words attributed to him. He’d been a Conservative at 15 and a Liberal at 35!"
Similarly, "Teddy Roosevelt" wrote:
"To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth."
But there is no evidence that TR ever said this. In fact, it wouldn't make sense for him to have said this, as the term "liberal" as in to mean somebody with ideological views similar to that of the modern-day USA Democrats wouldn't have made sense at that time. Furthermore, TR was a Progressive, with views to the left of most of today's liberals.
The quote has also been attributed to conservative political commentator Rush Limbaugh, which is more believable, but there's no evidence that he ever said it either.
So there you have it. Some very good reasons I think to always, always make sure to check the authenticity of a quote before you believe somebody famous said it. As Malala Yousafzai quite rightly put it, "Don't assume I said something just because somebody told you I did."
"We are Socialists, enemies, mortal enemies of the present capitalist economic system with its exploitation of the economically weak, with its injustice in wages, with its immoral evaluation of individuals according to wealth and money instead of responsibility and achievement, and we are determined under all circumstances to abolish this system!"
However, this quote was not a quote of Hitler. Rather, it was a quote of Gregor Strasser, Hitler's rival within the Nazi Party.
This is relevant because this post will be about fake quotes. By that I mean quotes misattributed to the person who did not say them, or else fabricated entirely.
Let's take this one:
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able, and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" - Epicurus
This quote has been used many times by Atheists in debates with theists. The paradox of why an all-loving, all-powerful has been called the Epicurean paradox. However, the problem is, Epicurus probably never actually said it.
This quote was attributed to Epicurus by Lactantius, an early Christian writer. However, no writings still remaining of Epicurus contain this argument, and he probably never actually said it.
This is first of all shown by the fact that it refers to one singular God. Epicurus lived in ancient Greece, where polytheism was dominant, and monotheism wasn't really heard of.
Secondly, Epicurus wasn't an atheist. He did believe in Gods, however, these Gods were neither willing nor able to prevent evil as they had already reached a perfect state of ataraxia (peace and freedom from pain) to which all humans should aspire to achieve.
Now, let's take a quote attributed to another brilliant philosopher:
"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire
This saying is a brilliant one, that is the archetype of a civilised society founded on the ideals of freedom of speech, such as Great Britain. However, Voltaire didn't say it! It was actually said by Evelyn Beatrice Hall, an English writer, who wrote it as a summary of Voltaire's beliefs.
Let's take another quote that many people attribute to our French friend:
"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize." - Voltaire
This quote is most frequently used by basement-dwelling Neo-Nazis who use it to imply that the Jews rule over the world as it is considered rude to criticize them. What the skinhead scum who use this quote fail to realize is that most people would object to anyone criticizing an entire group of people, and the same logic could be used to imply that any religion or ethnic group runs the world. Furthermore, it could be used to prove cancer patients, starving children in third world countries, somebody's dead relatives, etc. run the world.
It is a very stupid quote when one thinks about it, and that is probably why Voltaire wasn't stupid enough to say it. It was actually a Neo-Nazi, Kevin Alfred Strom who said it in the first place.
There is a story about Winston Churchill, that an MP accused him of being "disgustingly drunk", and he replied hilariously "My dear, you are ugly, and what’s more, you are disgustingly ugly. But tomorrow I shall be sober and you will still be disgustingly ugly." There is debate over whether he actually said this, yet it still appears at the top of many polls for history's best insults.
What Winnie certainly didn't say, however, is "If You're Not A Liberal When You're 25, You Have No Heart. If You're Not A Conservative By The Time You're 35, You Have No Brain". It sounds like something the Conservative former-Liberal might have said. But nevertheless, there is no record of him having said it. Furthermore, as Paul Addison of Edinburgh University pointed out "Surely Churchill can’t have used the words attributed to him. He’d been a Conservative at 15 and a Liberal at 35!"
Similarly, "Teddy Roosevelt" wrote:
"To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth."
But there is no evidence that TR ever said this. In fact, it wouldn't make sense for him to have said this, as the term "liberal" as in to mean somebody with ideological views similar to that of the modern-day USA Democrats wouldn't have made sense at that time. Furthermore, TR was a Progressive, with views to the left of most of today's liberals.
The quote has also been attributed to conservative political commentator Rush Limbaugh, which is more believable, but there's no evidence that he ever said it either.
So there you have it. Some very good reasons I think to always, always make sure to check the authenticity of a quote before you believe somebody famous said it. As Malala Yousafzai quite rightly put it, "Don't assume I said something just because somebody told you I did."