I am not Dizzy

[brimstoneSalad]

If you are incapable of responding with civility, take your own advice and ignore my posts.

If somebody is bullying you like he seemed to be doing. . .
Nobody aside from him really cares if you're Dizzy or not. . .

Wow thank you for that stellar contribution, so it's bullying to have friendly banter about whether one person is playing a comedic role,

Up until your apology, it didn't look like friendly banter (adding in an emoji doesn't make something nice); you seemed to be pestering him about it. You've brought it up a number of times, and that very long post about it seemed obsessive.

throwing in Rick and Morty references and all the way along

Nobody gets your cartoon references.

emphasizing that I find them as a person funny and clever,

While repeatedly calling him a liar.
The issue is that it's off topic, and you decided to take this "forum-wide"

then apologizing when they ask me to.

And then saying things like:

"If you aren't telling the truth however I wouldn't find this funny either"

Which sounds a bit ominous.
It's none of your business whether it's the truth or not. It's not against the rules, and his private identity is just that: private.

But it is okay to slander someone as a racist and sexist and not apologize for that claim.

I didn't slander you. What I said was on-topic, and based on what you said. And I did what you asked and took it back once your clarified your very poor communication.
You're the only one who owed an apology for being uncivil. I already apologized multiple times for offending you.

we have affirmed our friendship, for someone to come in after that and say one was bullying is the definition of shit stirring.

My reply was to his threat to leave. I think most people here like him, and I don't think anybody else really cares who he is or will bother him about it to the extent we have seen from you.
I hope Zzzzz doesn't leave if we encounter a similar case of bullying to what appeared to be happening here. I'm glad you resolved it, but it's entirely possible something like this will happen again and I want Zzzzz to know he is appreciated and to not feel he has to leave to escape "forum-wide" harassment because other members will help stand up to the bullying.

NonZeroSum, If you're going to carry around this chip on your shoulder and you aren't willing to hash this out privately and bury the hatchet, you should probably just follow through on your own threat, at least for a few weeks until you can cool off.

[NonZeroSum]

then apologizing when they ask me to.

And then saying things like:

"If you aren't telling the truth however I wouldn't find this funny either"

Which sounds a bit ominous.

I would hate to think that I'd got it wrong and the running theory of 'is this person who has the same IP as Dizzy and writes like Dizzy actually Dizzy' got taken too far, which I have apologized for. That's genuine, you're attempt at de-legitimatizing it is not on.

For the same reason I would hate it if it came out later that they weren't telling the truth and had just attempted to make me feel bad to draw out the game longer.

You making definitive statements about the conversation being bullying after both parties affirm friendship all along and good will on both sides is shit stirring. I can't ignore your posts when you continue to slander me, but I wont be taking up any of your replies to uncover something in a friendly discussion because I think you are incapable of that because you have shown you have slander locked and loaded to fire at a moments notice, not hard to understand.

[brimstoneSalad]

For the same reason I would hate it if it came out later that they weren't telling the truth and had just attempted to make me feel bad to draw out the game longer.

You take all of this far too personally.

Even if Zzzz was Dizzy, you owed an apology for bringing it here and derailing the discussion in this thread.
Nobody wants to be chased around the forum for something like this (much like you keep slandering me by accusing me of slander despite my having both taken back my sincerely held interpretation of your words and criticism of your beliefs and apologized for offending you).
If he was playing a game maybe he's tired of it now. That's his prerogative, and his replies to you as you were poking at him did not seem like he was playing with you.

You making definitive statements about the conversation being bullying after both parties affirm friendship all along and good will on both sides is shit stirring.

Zzzz threatened to leave the forum if something like this happened again. That needed to be addressed so he knows he is wanted here, and that bullying will not stand unanswered.
I said it seemed you were bullying him, and it did at the time of the posts.
It doesn't seem that way after your apology, but something like this could easily happen again, whether intentional bullying (as you are doing to me) or unintentional as it seems now you were doing to Zzzz (a "friendly" banter that goes one way and wasn't appreciated by the other side).

I can't ignore your posts when you continue to slander me,

I'm not slandering you. I said it seemed like you were bullying him. During the "confrontation" it looked like that. You cleared it up, but Zzzz felt the need to make a post saying that if this happens again he will leave. I don't take that lightly.

I also just now said that you ARE bullying me. Seems obvious that your attacks here are not in the spirit of a friendly hazing.

but I wont be taking up any of your replies to uncover something in a friendly discussion because I think you are incapable of that

Slander, slander, slander against others goes the hypocrite in cold blood, the very same hypocrite who takes things personally and cries slander where none is intended during a heated discussion (for which a retraction and an apology of offense was issued, and ignored, and yet that hypocrite insists people take HIS apologies seriously).

because you have shown you have slander locked and loaded to fire at a moments notice, not hard to understand.

Look in a mirror.
You're a bully and a hypocrite, it's not hard to understand.

Zzzz is very gracious to have accepted your apology when you seem incapable of regarding others with the same courtesy.

[NonZeroSum]

. . .bullying . . .It doesn't seem that way [now]. . .

^for the record about Zzzzzzzz.

You can call me a bully towards yourself, I wouldn't expect anything less than the original slanderer who confuses themselves as victim when the person they're slandering throws offense back.

[brimstoneSalad]

. . .bullying . . .It doesn't seem that way [now]. . .

What is bullying?

Rape is sexual interaction without consent.
Does hazing like that require consent? Without such consent is it bullying? Or is it only bullying if the instigator knows there is no consent?
How many times does the victim have to say "no" or exhibit signs of distress? What if the instigator thinks that's part of the game?
Is it only rape if the "rapist" knows the victim doesn't consent?

Real questions. You don't have to answer, but it's something to think about.

[NonZeroSum]

Oh my fucking god, you're comparing my actions to that of a rapist now, you are disturbed!

[brimstoneSalad]

You can call me a bully towards yourself, I wouldn't expect anything less than the original slanderer who confuses themselves as victim when the person they're slandering throws offense back.

Given that it's not coming from the discussion and you just brought it up out of nowhere, yes, you're bullying.
You're committing personal slander, I criticized your beliefs. When we're talking about intersectionality, "racist" is going to come up, and the definition in play is very important.

It's fair to call me racist under some definitions that are very general and rely on the results from implicit association tests. With such a definition, everybody is "racist" and it's a spectrum of unconscious bias. I wouldn't get bent out of shape over that, although I don't think it's a reasonable or useful definition.
My definition was with respect to your belief system; I never accused you of being a "classical" cross burning lynch mob racist. My criticism was leveled at your beliefs as you conveyed them, and since the topic was ABOUT that, it was highly relevant to the discussion.
I apologized for any offense I gave that was unnecessary to convey that.

We already discussed all of this. My criticisms were tightly tied to the topic of discussion and reliant on your beliefs and your articulation of them; I didn't push further than that to make unrelated personal attacks.

I can't apologize for engaging in discussion in good faith. I apologized for the only thing I did wrong, which was to react to your statement with offense when I was offended. That should have been all that was needed for a reasonable person to let bygones be bygones. You are clearly not a reasonable person, since you're carrying this chip across the forum and engaging in increasingly hostile slander because of it.

You owe me an apology. I'm convinced you will not give it. That's up to you.

None the less, I stand with the victims against bullies like you, but not to the point of impairing freedom of speech.
You are free to be a bully and be as vile and toxic as you want. It only makes you look immature.

[brimstoneSalad]

Oh my fucking god, you're comparing my actions to that of a rapist now, you are disturbed!

Comparing, yes. The concept of abuse and consent is similar. Not equating, though. Rape is far worse than bullying.
I'm asking sincere questions about how you define bullying, and how that logic applies to other abuses.

[brimstoneSalad]

For example:

If I in haste said something like "You're racist", and instead I should have said "The belief system you hold is racist", and the former offended you then I apologize for that offense. I do not apologize for the ideas I conveyed, because to any reasonable interpretation (and the definition I gave to clarify) they mean the same thing, but I can see how you might have taken something more closely resembling the former as an attack on your character while the latter is more clearly a criticism of your beliefs. I can understand how my wording might have offended you in excess of the ideas; that I already apologized for.

If you would have found both of those wordings offensive and either one would have instigated this crusade of rudeness and intolerance on your part, then you're basically impossible to please and I give up trying to do so.

[PsYcHo]

Just skimming this because of bourbon and sleep deprivation,

I'll just say some stuff and anybody can refute of not. I really don't care.

I thought it was common knowledge that Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz was Dizzy. I also thought it was accepted that no one gave a damn, because Zzzzzzzzzzzz didn't act as much like an ass as Dizzy did.

I also find it amusing that (based on the stuff I didn't read but skimmed) persons would put soo much effort into proving it either way.

Points- 1- Dizzy was banned for reasons.

2-Zzzzzzzzz hasn't been banned.

3- If Zzzzzzzzz is Dizzy ( ), it's so much funnier that he behaves (mostly) appropriately while others try to prove he is the only troll banned from this site.

4. I have footage of Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz being on the grassy knoll when...ACK......