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brimstoneSalad wrote:
EquALLity wrote:^I see.

Speaking of cancer and current medical technology, did you happen to catch 'VICE Special Report: Killing Cancer' tonight? It just came out, and it was really awesome. You should search that in your DVR and record it or something if you haven't seen it.
I think I'm up to date on current research.

Can you summarize it?
Hey look, HBO uploaded it to YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8SvBAjXGyQ

Basically, they're using viruses like HIV and the measles to cure cancer. It's especially good for people with Leukemia.

You can get more info and the details if you watch it. It's not that long, and it's very interesting.
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EquALLity wrote: Basically, they're using viruses like HIV and the measles to cure cancer. It's especially good for people with Leukemia.
Yes, that has been a long time coming. It's not 100%, but it's a step.
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brimstoneSalad wrote:[You say was. Is the relationship ongoing, and is she still a carnist?
I have been in two such relationships. The current one is ongoing and she is a pescetarian. There are no vegans where I live so at one point I had to decide between tolerance and celibacy.
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brimstoneSalad wrote: Yes, that has been a long time coming. It's not 100%, but it's a step.
Yeah, apparently they couldn't get funding for awhile because of the Wall Street thing.

How long did you know about this, and through what? I didn't realize I was late to the party here.

I have another cancer question, if you don't mind-

Here,
you wrote:For everybody who has ever gotten lung cancer, they got it from ONE particular cigarette (the straw that broke the self-replication inhibition's back). It's the way they bounce around in your body causing DNA damage. Sometimes they cause cancer, and sometimes they don't. There are just a few key mutations that have to occur, which happen randomly, and then -- cancer.
But I thought it was like you have a lot of cigarettes, and stuff builds up in your lungs over time?
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EquALLity wrote: How long did you know about this, and through what? I didn't realize I was late to the party here.
It's just been general knowledge that viruses *could* be used to do these kinds of things. Of course, going from theory to practice is where all of the work is.

They said in the video at one part that it's been known for about a hundred years that viruses could fight cancer, and the technology to really take advantage of that has only been available recently.
EquALLity wrote: But I thought it was like you have a lot of cigarettes, and stuff builds up in your lungs over time?
No, it's more just incidental that your lungs also happen to turn black.

Cancer originates from a single cell going rogue and replicating without permission.

Basically, cells are law abiding citizens. They're hardwired to obey hormones and other cues to replicate or stop replicating that the body uses to regulate itself.
Usually if DNA is damaged, the cell basically commits seppuku, and kills itself to protect the body, because DNA damage can produce disastrous results.

But when the DNA that commands them to kill themselves breaks, or it gets another mutation and that failsafe doesn't work for some reason, it can go rogue and starts doing whatever, since the instruction manual is missing pages.
Generally that means unchecked replication, and mutating constantly without killing itself. It just keeps getting worse from there. That's malignant cancer.

It's technically possible for several cells to spontaneously become cancer at once, since it's all about statistics, but it only takes one cell.

That mutation that ultimately made that cell cancer (we could call it the straw that broke the camel's back) can be tracked to a single event of DNA damage, which came from a single molecule (or atom, or photon), which came from a single source; e.g. a single cigarette, a single breath, or a single atom decaying, or a single instance of atomic fusion in a star (or a particle falling into a black hole somewhere).

The thing that killed you started very, very small.
Chaos effect.
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They said in the video at one part that it's been known for about a hundred years that viruses could fight cancer, and the technology to really take advantage of that has only been available recently.
Oh, you watched it! :D

Ah; I didn't absorb that part.
No, it's more just incidental that your lungs also happen to turn black.
Does it have anything to do with the cancer?
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I see. Cool info, thanks!

Crazy how someone can smoke for 50 years and not develop lung cancer, but someone else can get it from smoking just one cigarette.
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EquALLity wrote: Does it have anything to do with the cancer?
No, your lungs will turn black to the degree that the tar has built up.

It doesn't help, of course. The black stuff itself may be carcinogenic, in that it might increase the risk of cancer, and it certainly makes for poor respiratory performance.
EquALLity wrote: Crazy how someone can smoke for 50 years and not develop lung cancer, but someone else can get it from smoking just one cigarette.
Yes, it's like playing Russian roulette. You can play every day for 50 years and not die. Or you can blow your brains out the first time you do it.
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brimstoneSalad wrote:No, your lungs will turn black to the degree that the tar has built up.

It doesn't help, of course. The black stuff itself may be carcinogenic, in that it might increase the risk of cancer, and it certainly makes for poor respiratory performance.
Ah, ok. Thanks for the information.
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EquALLity wrote: I already knew about the environmental concerns with palm oil, so I just got sustainable.

https://www.rainforest-rescue.org/topics/palm-oil
This article wrote:Palm oil contains fatty acid esters (3-MCPD and glycidol fatty acid esters) that are considered carcinogenic.
Oh my. Well, I'll stop eating it, then.
The 3-MCPD part may also be true for soy sauce which also may have additional carcinogens:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Soy_sauce#Carcinogens
Soy sauce may contain ethyl carbamate, a Group 2A carcinogen.[32]

In 2001 the United Kingdom Food Standards Agency found in testing various soy sauces manufactured in mainland China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Thailand (made from hydrolyzed soy protein, rather than being naturally fermented) that 22% of tested samples, contained a chemical carcinogen named 3-MCPD (3-monochloropropane-1,2-diol) at levels considerably higher than those deemed safe by the EU. About two-thirds of these samples also contained a second carcinogenic chemical named 1,3-DCP (1,3-dichloropropane-2-ol) which experts advise should not be present at any levels in food. Both chemicals have the potential to cause cancer and the Agency recommended that the affected products be withdrawn from shelves and avoided. 3-MCPD and 1,3-DCP.[33][34][35][36] The same carcinogens were found in soy sauces manufactured in Vietnam, causing a food scare in 2007.[37][38]

In Canada, the Canadian Cancer Society writes, "Health Canada has concluded that there is no health risk to Canadians from use of available soy and oyster sauces. Because continuous lifetime exposure to high levels of 3-MCPD could pose a health risk, Health Canada has established 1.0 part per million (ppm) as a guideline for importers of these sauces, in order to reduce Canadians' long-term exposure to this chemical.
I don't understand the basis of Health Canada's recommendations though. What do people do regarding soy sauce?
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That sucks.

Sounds like it's important to avoid industrially hydrolyzed vegetable protein.

I will be even more careful about the soy sauce I buy in the future. Sounds like ethyl carbamate is hard to avoid in any fermented foods.

Do you know any other means of hydrolyzing proteins without HCl?
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