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by Zane
Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:42 pm
Forum: Vegan Forum
Topic: Does Going Vegan Save Lives?
Replies: 21
Views: 4445

Re: Does Going Vegan Save Lives?

This is an obvious straw-man, and perhaps at the root of your misunderstandings. The ethics of our actions are not based on sheer probability but also the size and scale of the outcome. Having an extremely small chance at making a neutral or moderate effect could be arguably discounted, especially ...
by Zane
Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:24 pm
Forum: New Member? Introduce Yourself!
Topic: I am not a Terrorist
Replies: 23
Views: 4635

Re: I am not a Terrorist

Much of this can be exported to the other thread. It's your LACK of voting that triggers a recount because without your vote the margin is too small. We could also go with small margins in which we know there will be a recount anyway, SO where your vote actually tips the election is in the recount i...
by Zane
Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:10 pm
Forum: Vegan Forum
Topic: Does Going Vegan Save Lives?
Replies: 21
Views: 4445

Re: Does Going Vegan Save Lives?

In other words, you have no clue. I'm not sure why this should be a problem. The probabilities most people are assigning are sheer guesswork. Where precision has been introduced, I think more than one person agrees they're nonsense (see the stats on rainbows) Do you seriously not understand the out...
by Zane
Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:05 pm
Forum: Vegan Forum
Topic: Does Going Vegan Save Lives?
Replies: 21
Views: 4445

Re: Does Going Vegan Save Lives?

I'm not sure what I did to deserve two more sprawling, unfocused posts littered with straw men. One of the problems with your posts in particular is that I often anticipate responses in advance precisely to avoid getting bogged down in unnecessary side issues. A few examples, chosen almost at random...
by Zane
Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:54 pm
Forum: Vegan Forum
Topic: Does Going Vegan Save Lives?
Replies: 21
Views: 4445

Re: Does Going Vegan Save Lives?

I don't know of any magic number. Just try giving an estimate. Eight million six-hundred and seventy-five thousand three-hundred and nine. I'm not sure why this is so difficult for people to comprehend. I find it difficult to comprehend that someone equates tiny impact with no impact despite having...
by Zane
Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:43 pm
Forum: New Member? Introduce Yourself!
Topic: I am not a Terrorist
Replies: 23
Views: 4635

Re: I am not a Terrorist

Instead understand that your vote was the one extra vote needed to NOT have a recount, which if it was done would result in Trump winning instead. This is laughable. Most of the time, recounts don't work the way you apparently think they do. Supposing I reside in your strange bizarro land, amy sing...
by Zane
Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:48 pm
Forum: New Member? Introduce Yourself!
Topic: I am not a Terrorist
Replies: 23
Views: 4635

Re: I am not a Terrorist

Zane It's been a bit over a week, you usually respond quickly. Do you finally understand my points and have you conceded, or are you (as I asked) holding out for a simulation that proves this? What would convince you? I noticed a lack of reply for several days and stopped checking. Based your post,...
by Zane
Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:34 pm
Forum: Vegan Forum
Topic: Does Going Vegan Save Lives?
Replies: 21
Views: 4445

Re: Does Going Vegan Save Lives?

Zane You would probably agree that if there were 10 people on the planet, one of them going vegan would make a difference in the demand chain. You would also probably agree that it would make a difference if the world population were 20 or 30. In your opinion, what is the magic number where the pro...
by Zane
Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:27 pm
Forum: Vegan Forum
Topic: Does Going Vegan Save Lives?
Replies: 21
Views: 4445

Re: Does Going Vegan Save Lives?

There isn’t a high probability that merely going vegan will “save” any animals, but I agree with brimstoneSalad. Uncertainty of a desirable outcome doesn’t invalidate ethics. You're just importing brimstone's weak straw man: Nobody is charging that uncertainty invalidates ethics. If there is any st...
by Zane
Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:58 am
Forum: Vegan Forum
Topic: Does Going Vegan Save Lives?
Replies: 21
Views: 4445

Re: Does Going Vegan Save Lives?

Not eating 1 animal will cause approximately 1 less animal to be bred. No markets are not that precise, and you could argue that the reality is 0.8 or 1.2 because of some supply-demand analysis, but it's close to 1. You could also argue that there's a 99% chance it will make no difference at all, a...