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by Gregor Samsa
Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:34 am
Forum: Vegan Forum
Topic: Why Don't More Vegans Support Clean Meat?
Replies: 56
Views: 8240

Re: Why Don't More Vegans Support Clean Meat?

Clean Meat is very likely the only thing that will humanity at large abandon killing animals for their flesh. How can a vegan not be for it?
by Gregor Samsa
Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:40 pm
Forum: Other Philosophy Discussion Forum
Topic: Questions About Race
Replies: 10
Views: 2354

Re: Questions About Race

There may be some usefulness for race even though it's currently poorly defined, and I can't say for sure because I'm not a geneticist/other relevant field and I know my limits. I've talked to people in the relevant fields and I've gotten different answers depending of whom I've asked. I would prefe...
by Gregor Samsa
Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:24 pm
Forum: Vegan Forum
Topic: population ethics and the cow that lived a good life
Replies: 20
Views: 3243

Re: population ethics and the cow that lived a good life

Who would even ask? Isn't this as clear as day? Not sure what your question is. The reason I said "really?" is because he didn't answer the hypothetical, he went off to some other hypothetical. He essentially did a Motte and bailey "Seriously" was a kind of rude response. You probably should have c...
by Gregor Samsa
Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:18 pm
Forum: Vegan Forum
Topic: population ethics and the cow that lived a good life
Replies: 20
Views: 3243

Re: population ethics and the cow that lived a good life

The simplest response seems to be that that's impractical. Compensating for all of the ills of animal agriculture would be a monumental task, and make meat extremely expensive. To the point of people who eat thousand dollar bites of caviar; all for the sake of what? A cow? There are human beings su...
by Gregor Samsa
Sun Jan 07, 2018 10:13 pm
Forum: Vegan Forum
Topic: population ethics and the cow that lived a good life
Replies: 20
Views: 3243

Re: population ethics and the cow that lived a good life

In my first post, I clearly demonstrated (the obvious) that not only do I not find the killing morally justified, but I find it more immoral compared to if the cow had lived an unhappy life. You then replied: Mate... you didn't demonstrate anything. You made an assertion, and you didn't back it up ...
by Gregor Samsa
Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:12 pm
Forum: Vegan Forum
Topic: population ethics and the cow that lived a good life
Replies: 20
Views: 3243

Re: population ethics and the cow that lived a good life

If you want to play that game, then ok... my posts are not being misunderstood by the people whose answers I'm interested in hearing. I doubt anyone understood your "Seriously" post the way you wanted it to be understood. If so, you are quite delusional. If you want a further discussion, you could ...
by Gregor Samsa
Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:24 am
Forum: Vegan Forum
Topic: population ethics and the cow that lived a good life
Replies: 20
Views: 3243

Re: population ethics and the cow that lived a good life

Who would even ask? Isn't this as clear as day? Not sure what your question is. The reason I said "really?" is because he didn't answer the hypothetical, he went off to some other hypothetical. He essentially did a Motte and bailey Please make an effort to be a bit more clear. Your posts are clearl...
by Gregor Samsa
Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:30 am
Forum: Vegan Forum
Topic: population ethics and the cow that lived a good life
Replies: 20
Views: 3243

Re: population ethics and the cow that lived a good life

Given the short life, the tragic death which probably involved a great deal of fear, the sorrow experienced by the cow's friends, I think it is safe to conclude that it would have been better if the cow had never lived at all. Seriously? Who would even ask? Isn't this as clear as day? Not sure what...
by Gregor Samsa
Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:29 am
Forum: Vegan Forum
Topic: population ethics and the cow that lived a good life
Replies: 20
Views: 3243

Re: population ethics and the cow that lived a good life

But it still would be better to have happy cows that you do not kill (ignoring the environmental harm of it all). Sure, but that's not really the picture we as vegans present. We say there is this torturewheel of becoming, and it must end. The carnist response could be "Ok but what about removing t...
by Gregor Samsa
Sun Dec 31, 2017 10:41 am
Forum: Vegan Forum
Topic: population ethics and the cow that lived a good life
Replies: 20
Views: 3243

Re: population ethics and the cow that lived a good life

Jebus wrote:
Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:58 am
Given the short life, the tragic death which probably involved a great deal of fear, the sorrow experienced by the cow's friends, I think it is safe to conclude that it would have been better if the cow had never lived at all.
Seriously?