What is the utility of computer scientists?

[teo123]

OK, I get it, some computer scientists have been rude to you, so you think it must be because they are computer scientists. Even though that's a very extraordinary claim and anecdotes don't count as evidence.

I think it is either a very ill-informed view or that you are knowingly promoting lies in order to promote bigotry against Croatians.

Well, I am Croatian, so I certainly don't support bigotry against Croatians. And why do you think it's an ill-informed view? I mean, I am not sure about it, I wouldn't bet that Vukovar didn't happen. But I also wouldn't bet that it did, if I was forced to.

[Not The Real JReg]

OK, I get it, some computer scientists have been rude to you, so you think it must be because they are computer scientists. Even though that's a very extraordinary claim and anecdotes don't count as evidence.

Actually, there are many studies that show that computer scientists are more likely to be hostile to facts, and in favour of deception. It's a reasonable inference that this comes from their hostility to art and culture, and love of money and capitalism. As well as that, it's very clear that computer scientists have not accomplished anywhere near what they should have done. Otherwise, humanity and robotics would be intertwined by now. This just shows that the sort of people who are computer scientists are generally completely unfit to be computer scientists.

As a matter of fact, there are also studies that suggest that because computer scientists are hostile to facts, they support racism. I think that that would explain why you are so bigoted towards Croatians, and why you choose to express that bigotry in the form of denial of the Vukovar massacre. As a matter of fact, the Vukovar massacre occurred on the 20th November 1991, exactly 107 years after the birth of Norman Thomas, an American Presbyterian minister who achieved fame as a socialist, pacifist, and six-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party of America.

Furthermore, I would like to point out that I have given evidence multiple times throughout this thread showing how computer science is incredibly easy, which you have completely ignored. You have not once responded to my points about how computer science is easy, presumably because they make you feel uncomfortable. The reason you feel uncomfortable is of course because deep down in your heart you know that I am right and that computer science is easy. However, you are allergic to facts and so will never acknowledge the truth because you prefer lies and deceit.

Finally, I should just like to point out that you have also ignored the points I have made regarding Posadas. Of course, given the fact that you hate facts and prefer to deceive, this is no surprise to me. You are not willing to recognise the genius of Posadas because you are not willing to recognise the genius of anybody who stands for what is right. Not Darwin. Not Newton. Not Beethoven. Not Shakespeare. Not Einstein. Not Posadas. You are only willing to recognise the genius of liars. I said earlier on in this thread that I would be willing to be the Moriarty to your Sherlock Holmes, but it is now clear that you are Moriarty. You are a truly malevolent individual who wishes to promote nothing but lies, deceit and drivel. I hope you are proud of yourself because I would be ashamed if I were you.

[teo123]

Actually, there are many studies that show that computer scientists are more likely to be hostile to facts, and in favour of deception.

Source?

It's a reasonable inference that this comes from their hostility to art and culture, and love of money and capitalism.

My perception is that computer scientists, in fact, tend to be more left-wing and against capitalism than the rest of the population. Mark Zuckerberg is openly left-wing and calls for more political correctness, Bill Gates is also openly left-wing, he says he has nothing against Chinese Internet censorship and calls for higher taxes...

By the way, what do Serbian left-wingers today think about Bleiburg denialism? There are many Bleiburg deniers here in Croatia (understandable, since Josip Broz Tito, who has, according to the mainstream history, ordered the soldiers to commit the Bleiburg Massacre, was a Croatian), perhaps the most prominent figure who publicly denies Bleiburg being the Croatian historical linguist [ulr=https://www.dnevno.hr/vijesti/hrvatska/ ... to-801929/]Mate Kapović[/url].

[Not The Real JReg]

Source?

I could cite over a dozen sources but you've already said that you wouldn't have the time to read them, so what would be the point of going to that trouble?

My perception is that computer scientists, in fact, tend to be more left-wing and against capitalism than the rest of the population. Mark Zuckerberg is openly left-wing and calls for more political correctness, Bill Gates is also openly left-wing, he says he has nothing against Chinese Internet censorship and calls for higher taxes...

Your perception is wrong. Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates are both incredibly right-wing. Zuckerberg is very politically incorrect and supports racism and sexism. Gates does not call for the tax rate to be anywhere near as high as it should be. China also is not left-wing.

By the way, what do Serbian left-wingers today think about Bleiburg denialism?

How should I know? I'm not Serbian.

[teo123]

I could cite over a dozen sources but you've already said that you wouldn't have the time to read them, so what would be the point of going to that trouble?

I said I didn't have time to read the entire writing of Posadas just to verify your ridiculous claim. If Posadas actually worked with Keynes, it should be easy for you to point me where the records of that are. Бреме доказа на ономе је, коме би, ако је у праву, требало мање труда да докаже да је у праву!
So, if you had indeed read a study showing that studying computer science somehow makes people emotionless, it should be easy for you to point me to that study.

Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates are both incredibly right-wing.

Well, maybe compared to an average Serbian. To somebody in a normal country these days, no.

Zuckerberg is very politically incorrect and supports racism and sexism.

To some extent, yes. But his rhetoric for justifying shutting down the views he disagrees with on FaceBook includes fighting against racism and sexism. I got banned from FaceBook for "violating their hate-speech rules" when I said what I think about Vukovar. As if they can possibly know better about it than somebody who has been living near Vukovar his whole life.

Gates does not call for the tax rate to be anywhere near as high as it should be.

Then, what should they be, according to you? The Laffer curve of the US, according to some studies, has the maximum at around 18%.

China also is not left-wing.

How? It's still ruled by the same Communist Party whose policies caused the Great Chinese Famine, which made Cultural Revolution and probably the Tiananmen Square Massacre (though, as far as I know, there is a lot less evidence that Tiananmen Square Massacre actually happened). Sure, these days, they allow some capitalism, but that's not nearly as much as Croatia or Serbia allow, yet alone how much Norway or USA allow.

How should I know? I'm not Serbian.

And you said right in your first post here you are a member of the Serbian Socialist Party. You are lying so much you forget what you lied where, right? Do you speak Serbo-Croatian? У лажи ипак јесу кратке ноге, заборавни смешни идиоте!

[Not The Real JReg]

Бреме доказа на ономе је, коме би, ако је у праву, требало мање труда да докаже да је у праву!

No one's impressed that you know Russian, mate.

Well, maybe compared to an average Serbian. To somebody in a normal country these days, no.

So Serbians aren't normal, according to you. Can't you see how racist that is?

To some extent, yes. But his rhetoric for justifying shutting down the views he disagrees with on FaceBook includes fighting against racism and sexism. I got banned from FaceBook for "violating their hate-speech rules" when I said what I think about Vukovar. As if they can possibly know better about it than somebody who has been living near Vukovar his whole life.

I hope that you now see that your denial of the Vukovar massacre is based on a racist lie.

Then, what should they be, according to you?

At least 90%.

The Laffer curve of the US, according to some studies, has the maximum at around 18%.

Which studies? See, you criticise me for not citing sources (even though I did cite sources, and you just couldn't be bothered to read them), however you won't cite any sources yourself.

How? It's still ruled by the same Communist Party whose policies caused the Great Chinese Famine, which made Cultural Revolution and probably the Tiananmen Square Massacre (though, as far as I know, there is a lot less evidence that Tiananmen Square Massacre actually happened). Sure, these days, they allow some capitalism, but that's not nearly as much as Croatia or Serbia allow, yet alone how much Norway or USA allow.

China is state capitalist.

And you said right in your first post here you are a member of the Serbian Socialist Party. You are lying so much you forget what you lied where, right?

I never said that anywhere in that post. Stop making things up.

У лажи ипак јесу кратке ноге, заборавни смешни идиоте!

Like I said, nobody's impressed that you can speak Russian.

[teo123]

No one's impressed that you know Russian, mate.

I must say I'm impressed how somebody who has made a thread named "Greetings from Serbia!" can't recognize Serbo-Croatian written in the Cyrillic alphabet, also known as... Serbian.

So Serbians aren't normal, according to you. Can't you see how racist that is?

I mean, what's considered a normal political position varies from country to country. In the US, it's normal to call for more guns. In Croatia, they might considered you insane if you call for more guns. In America, denying anthropogenic global warming is relatively normal. In most of the countries around the world, that's insanity. In Iran, it's normal to deny the Holocaust. In Germany or Israel, that's very offensive and insane. In China, it's normal to call for more censorship. In most of the countries around the world, you would be considered insane if you said something like that.

I hope that you now see that your denial of the Vukovar massacre is based on a racist lie.

Again, I don't see how it can possibly be racist from me to deny Vukovar when most of the victims of Vukovar Massacre were supposedly Croatian, and I am Croatian.

Which studies?

Ones cited by the YouTube channel LearnLiberty.

China is state capitalist.

What does that mean? Capitalism means an economic system based on voluntary exchange of goods and services. State, by definition, has the power of coercion. Therefore, "state capitalism" is an oxymoron.

never said that anywhere in that post. Stop making things up.

Ideologically, I consider myself to be a democratic socialist and I am a member of the Socialist Party of Serbia.

Look, this discussion isn't getting us anywhere, as you've led me to believe you are dishonest.

[Not The Real JReg]

Look, this discussion isn't getting us anywhere, as you've led me to believe you are dishonest.

Right, so you're just going to ignore every single point that I have made and try and claim that I'm dishonest. I understand that you are completely unable to rebut my arguments, however, I would appreciate it if you did not slander me. You have been nothing but dishonest throughout this thread, so I suggest you take a look in the mirror. I also suggest that you work on the prejudices that you have towards Croatians and Serbians, and stop spreading racist propaganda. Furthermore, I'd like to ask that if you wish to continue a career in computer science, you actually do something useful like working towards transhumanism (the transformation of the human condition by developing and making widely available sophisticated technologies to greatly enhance human intellect and physiology; in layman's terms, turning humans into robots). I really want a robot dick.

Also, I have one final question: Do you believe that I am being dishonest when I say that I want a robot dick. If so, why?

PS, I said I live in Serbia. I am not actually Serbian.

[teo123]

I understand that you are completely unable to rebut my arguments

Because you present them in a way that cannot be evaluated. Your arguments are basically anecdotes I have no way to check if they are even true, yet alone if they are representative of computer scientists in general. As far as I can see, most of the computer scientists who teach at the FERIT university are normal and nice people.
ANd I am still waiting for a source saying that Posadas and Keynes were working together.

You have been nothing but dishonest throughout this thread, so I suggest you take a look in the mirror.

And this is, at best, a Tu Quoque Fallacy. I say "at best" because you haven't shown that I was actually dishonest, but you've shown yourself to be.

I also suggest that you work on the prejudices that you have towards Croatians and Serbians

I don't think I have them. I think Croatia is the best country in the world to live in these days. I mean, the statistics show it's even safer than Norway, yet alone the US. Furthermore, since you said you were a member of the Serbian Socialist Party, it's not a prejudice to conclude you probably think Milošević and Tito were good guys.

Furthermore, I'd like to ask that if you wish to continue a career in computer science, you actually do something useful like working towards transhumanism

I am not at all convinced immortality (the primary goal of tanshumanism), if even possible, would be a good thing.

PS, I said I live in Serbia. I am not actually Serbian.

And you can't recognize written Serbian? If you are going to pretend to be a doctor living in Serbia, at least make half an effort. Also, you said:

And you said right in your first post here you are a member of the Serbian Socialist Party. You are lying so much you forget what you lied where, right?

I never said that anywhere in that post. Stop making things up.

And you did indeed say, in your first post here, that you were a member of the Serbian Socialist Party. That's dishonest of you.
Also, if you are not actually Serbian, they most likely wouldn't admit you into the Serbian Socialist Party, any more than the Croatian Democratic Party admits people who are not actually Croatian into it.

[Not The Real JReg]

As far as I can see, most of the computer scientists who teach at the FERIT university are normal and nice people.

I've presented studies that show how computer scientists typically hate facts and love to deceive. You're dismissing that with an anecdote about computer scientists at the FERIT university.

ANd I am still waiting for a source saying that Posadas and Keynes were working together.

I've already presented you with multiple sources.

And this is, at best, a Tu Quoque Fallacy. I say "at best" because you haven't shown that I was actually dishonest, but you've shown yourself to be.

No. You have shown yourself to be dishonest.

I don't think I have them.

I don't care what you think. You denied the Vukovar massacre, so it is definitely true that you hate all Croatians.

Furthermore, since you said you were a member of the Serbian Socialist Party, it's not a prejudice to conclude you probably think Milošević and Tito were good guys.

So you're saying that because I'm Serbian, that means I must believe that Milosevic and Tito were good guys? Wow. I can't believe how racist you are being right now. You really need to work on those prejudices of yours.

I am not at all convinced immortality (the primary goal of tanshumanism), if even possible, would be a good thing.

The primary goal of transhumanism isn't immortality.

If you are going to pretend to be a doctor living in Serbia, at least make half an effort.

I've never claimed to be a doctor living in Serbia.

And you did indeed say, in your first post here, that you were a member of the Serbian Socialist Party.

No, I didn't. I'm not a member of the Serbian Socialist Party.

Also, if you are not actually Serbian, they most likely wouldn't admit you into the Serbian Socialist Party, any more than the Croatian Democratic Party admits people who are not actually Croatian into it.

As a non-Serbian member of the Serbian Socialist Party, I can confirm that they do indeed allow non-Serbians.