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omegaflare wrote:I don't think this is a very constructive post you made her but mockery. What the catch? He did it out of love, not choice. You're putting words into God's mouth. That's mockery.
When I started writing my last post I did so in order to clarify my previous post which had been misunderstood. I then noticed some opportunity for what I saw as light-hearted humour. I regret this as my intention was not to mock.
On another note, you throw the word "love" around a lot. What does that exactly mean in this sense? If Jesus loves everyone unequivocally does it mean that the definitions we use to judge a person as a good person should be thrown out the window. This is a part of the Christian doctrine that really bothers me. If everyone will be loved and forgiven in the end, will people with potential for evil be motivated enough to try to suppress their evil actions?
How to become vegan in 4.5 hours:
1.Watch Forks over Knives (Health)
2.Watch Cowspiracy (Environment)
3. Watch Earthlings (Ethics)
Congratulations, unless you are a complete idiot you are now a vegan.
I don't follow Christian doctrine because it's the manufacture of fear, LAW, and bigotry. Christian doctrine is what defines a religion apart from Grace is what clearly taught in the New Testament. All of the evil things we have seen in this world is not from God, rather is the choices that MEN make, not God. Consequences are not his, rather the choices that men make. Jesus Christ took the ultimately penalty on behalf of all men.
If someone took a bullet for you and died, how would you feel? Remorse and shame. Sadly, not one felt remorse, shame and guilt based on Christ's death. Rather it's a free gift, something to be thankful for. That's it. If you were to die sometimes in the distance future (like The Vegan Atheist said, "life is too short.. cherish it.") you will see Christ immediately regardless if you deny him or not. All of the doubt, fear, hatred, jealousy, strife will be gone instantly. All of the questions you have for God will instantly collapse because.. you know why? GRACE!
Some stupid atheist said, "I would just simply walk out and never see God again..." How would one simply walk out if God is everywhere? They're doing it out of sheer ignorance and blindness on their part. Hell doesn't exist (only physical hell, not afterlife that religion babble about..). Before Christ died, death reign, but now Christ conqueror death:
1 Corinthians 15:55
King James Version (KJV)
"O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?"
If you prefer death over eternal life with God, then that's fine with me. But unfortunately, that's not going to happen. Either way, you will see him. All you will see is love, mercy, long-suffering, kindness, grace, and etc. I never been to heaven, but it's a mere faith. But again, everyone's saved in the spirit. One atheist asked me, "what's the point of believing again?" Good question! Many IFB preacher and other religion would cherry-pick Acts 16:30-31 to justify the existence of hell. Unfortunately, they didn't read the context carefully and failed to realized that Paul wasn't preaching hell in the afterlife - no he didn't. It's all about physical salvation. Hell is a mistranslation in English by Greek word "Gehenna". Hell is a word derived from Pagan religion - specifically Catholics (Dante's Inferno for instance) and the protestant largely borrow the doctrine of hell by accident. This is nowhere taught in the scripture.
He's simply going to take you in heaven - perhaps a spiritual realm. You will probably see Adolf Hitler laughing with Jesus Christ next to him. While he opens you with his loving arm. Believe me, when I preach Grace to religious churches - HELL BREAK LOOSE. They hate "Grace" because they're too blind to understand the reality of Christ, rather the product of the Pharisee - the LAW! The very thing Jesus that rebuke and ultimately led him to his death. The law simply condemned Christ to death. He had to do it in his behalf so we all don't taste death in the afterlife, but eternal life with Jesus Christ - I mean ALL!
If God could save Adolf Hitler, what would your response to God be? An awesome God? Or a terrible lair? Grace believer say "he's an awesome God!" While religious believer will say "He's a LAIR!" Big difference.
Is this your idea of a discussion? You are regurgitating old Christian says like "Jesus sacrificed himself out of love," "evil things come from the choices MEN make" (I guess women don't count) etc. etc., that are in no way related to the comments of the previous poster. Please cease the rambling and reply to what I write otherwise I will have to check out of this "discussion".
Also, I would suggest that you analyze and apply some critical thinking to the things you write down. I get the feeling that you really haven't thought much about the specifics of the things you write.
How to become vegan in 4.5 hours:
1.Watch Forks over Knives (Health)
2.Watch Cowspiracy (Environment)
3. Watch Earthlings (Ethics)
Congratulations, unless you are a complete idiot you are now a vegan.
What the hell are you talking about? When I refer to "men" I am referring to the entire race itself. You're being an idiot. Just because I didn't mention "women" isn't worthy looking at my discussion? You're a sexist at best. You brought this up, I didn't.
omegaflare wrote:What the hell are you talking about? When I refer to "men" I am referring to the entire race itself. You're being an idiot. Just because I didn't mention "women" isn't worthy looking at my discussion? You're a sexist at best. You brought this up, I didn't.
Ouch that hurt. You're not very forgiving, are you?
You still haven't replied to any of my queries. By the way, what "race" are you referring to in your above statement?
How to become vegan in 4.5 hours:
1.Watch Forks over Knives (Health)
2.Watch Cowspiracy (Environment)
3. Watch Earthlings (Ethics)
Congratulations, unless you are a complete idiot you are now a vegan.
You're nitpicking that isn't even related to my discussion at all. That's what atheist does: nitpicking something unrelated to win an argument related to "Christianity". Go ahead, mark that slash on the wall on how many times you won a pointless argument.
SMH. We can't have a civilized discussion here. I am sure Vegan Atheist would agree with me here.
omegaflare wrote:You're nitpicking that isn't even related to my discussion at all. That's what atheist does: nitpicking something unrelated to win an argument related to "Christianity". Go ahead, mark that slash on the wall on how many times you won a pointless argument.
This is why I don't engage with textualism much. A Christian can always make up more ad hoc excuses and explanations.
The real argument is in what the definition of this god is, and in the logical contradictions that definition contains or doesn't contain (depending on the definition).
I don't think much of people who pretend to be morally superior and yet happily kill animals for enjoyment, though -- to me, that destroys the potential value of their theology before they even open their mouths, because it is evil if it permits them to do that and feel good about it.
Now a vegetarian Christian/Jesus follower/whatever they want to call themselves I would respect more and be glad to engage in that kind of conversation with. It could be interesting, because at least they understand some of the basic concepts of morality, and there's common ground and logic to have a discussion on.
omegaflare wrote:You're nitpicking that isn't even related to my discussion at all. That's what atheist does: nitpicking something unrelated to win an argument related to "Christianity". Go ahead, mark that slash on the wall on how many times you won a pointless argument.
This is why I don't engage with textualism much. A Christian can always make up more ad hoc excuses and explanations.
The real argument is in what the definition of this god is, and in the logical contradictions that definition contains or doesn't contain (depending on the definition).
I don't think much of people who pretend to be morally superior and yet happily kill animals for enjoyment, though -- to me, that destroys the potential value of their theology before they even open their mouths, because it is evil if it permits them to do that and feel good about it.
Now a vegetarian Christian/Jesus follower/whatever they want to call themselves I would respect more and be glad to engage in that kind of conversation with. It could be interesting, because at least they understand some of the basic concepts of morality, and there's common ground and logic to have a discussion on.
This is why I don't engage with textualism much. A Christian can always make up more ad hoc excuses and explanations.
Ad hoc excuses and explanations? I offer explanation on how "Religion" got their "Christianity" wrong and why it was taken out-of-context from the Bible. Your response is nothing but shut-door and childish, and no constructive criticism. I wasn't offering my rebuttal on why God exist, this wasn't the topic of this discussion. Your baseless accusation and slamming your fist on your desk demanding my explanation on God's existence is simply and plainly stupid.
I don't think much of people who pretend to be morally superior and yet happily kill animals for enjoyment, though -- to me, that destroys the potential value of their theology before they even open their mouths, because it is evil if it permits them to do that and feel good about it.
You're derailing the thread, this wasn't the topic of my discussion anyways. My argument has nothing to do with killing animals. Typical Atheist Comment #1 - congratulation, you made the lottery.
The real argument is in what the definition of this god is, and in the logical contradictions that definition contains or doesn't contain (depending on the definition).
You're putting words into my mouth. Again, this wasn't the original discussion in this thread. SMH. Typical Atheist Comment #2.
Now a vegetarian Christian/Jesus follower/whatever they want to call themselves I would respect more and be glad to engage in that kind of conversation with. It could be interesting, because at least they understand some of the basic concepts of morality, and there's common ground and logic to have a discussion on.
Gladly engage in a conversation that you deem worthy of? Wow.. you're pathetic and have NO moral respect for people who wish to discuss on the topic they bring up. Typical Atheist Comment #3. I don't think you understand morality... common ground?! HARDLY! Your ignorance and "atheist" bigotry really defines your moral character. SMH.
omegaflare wrote:You're derailing the thread, this wasn't the topic of my discussion anyways.
Incorrect. You derailed your own thread many posts ago. It could have been an interesting discussion, but you kept writing without thinking, completely ignoring my posts while at the same time not making any effort with regards to correct grammar and choice of words.
How to become vegan in 4.5 hours:
1.Watch Forks over Knives (Health)
2.Watch Cowspiracy (Environment)
3. Watch Earthlings (Ethics)
Congratulations, unless you are a complete idiot you are now a vegan.
omegaflare wrote:You're derailing the thread, this wasn't the topic of my discussion anyways.
Incorrect. You derailed your own thread many posts ago. It could have been an interesting discussion, but you kept writing without thinking, completely ignoring my posts while at the same time not making any effort with regards to correct grammar and choice of words.
Incorrect! I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. You and your self-righteous attitude is demeaning at best. You know what? Forget it. You're just another atheist who's trying to justify the the use of illogical statement and vulgar statement with extreme prejudice. If you feel abhorred by my grammar then you wouldn't be responding this thread. What many posts ago? I only made a few post.. hardly a grammar issue. When I make rational statement(s), you poke people's grammar, derail the thread, make illogical statement that has nothing to do with this post. My response: GROW THE FUCK UP.
